Variable Valves are Bad for the BMW R1250GS - Review

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Mikey
Mikey Acum o Zi
Ryan makes a good point but still love the 1250GS.
Dexter
Dexter Acum 4 Zile
Always figured he was french
Jean Paul Comeau
Jean Paul Comeau Acum 9 Zile
Excellent review
Martin J
Martin J Acum 10 Zile
Googled "Heisenberg uncertainty principle". Two hours later, ROpost recommended this on my TV! :D Cheers.
toaster 19
toaster 19 Acum 11 Zile
ROpost wont let me add a second thumbs up!
Marco Felipe Lopes
Marco Felipe Lopes Acum 12 Zile
RYAN YOU GOTTA DO THE HIMALAYAN
tnhl77
tnhl77 Acum 12 Zile
that's the toughest review I've ever heard from ryanf9 dang BMW get it together
ajofyick
ajofyick Acum 14 Zile
Technically incorrect though about VVT
Dineshsingh Kachave
Dineshsingh Kachave Acum 16 Zile
Honda owners be like thats how it feels when VTEC kicks in 😂😂
The GlobalWarming
The GlobalWarming Acum 17 Zile
"A dyslexic nightmare but a dual sport dream" -RyanF9
shakey
shakey Acum 19 Zile
Best GS review I’ve seen yet. I traded my 2010 RT for a 2018 and at the first sign all the tech starts to act up I’ll be looking for an FJR.
Wouter Smit
Wouter Smit Acum 19 Zile
It's like comparing the new landrover defender to the old. They kinda look the same but overengineering made one the offroading beast we know and love and the other a grocery getter which basically can not be used offroad. Same for the new GS. it looks like the deal but it won't perform as it should. And it's way too expensive.
Tito Alo
Tito Alo Acum 20 Zile
The main target are doctor coming back from the office, that's why it doesn't make sense for an adventurer...
Andreas Kampmiller
Andreas Kampmiller Acum 20 Zile
In the middle of a zombie apocalypse the Shiftcam-Technology might fail me. Have fun repairing it, or even finding spare parts in the first place. And they placed the actuator for the Shiftcam near the exhaust outlet of the cylinder, one of the hottest parts on the motorcycle? Wät? That's like Schrödingers Cat: dead and alive at the same time, depends on when or if you look at it a little closer. Forget the few Newton-meter or Horses - I want _Reliability_ and not 'Techy-Fezzy-Maybe-Breaky'! To sum it up, this is exactly the reason why I also won't buy the R1250GS - and stick to the R1200GS until 'death do us part'.
martialme84
martialme84 Acum 20 Zile
Klaftinger or Kluftinger?
Wallace Grommet
Wallace Grommet Acum 20 Zile
Is that like Skyactiv from Mazda?
Arvin Karimaghaei
Arvin Karimaghaei Acum 20 Zile
“AL GORES NIGHTMARE” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 “sorry Greta” Ryan u crack me up bro
Andrej NN
Andrej NN Acum 22 Zile
Nice graphics!
RoyalWaffles
RoyalWaffles Acum 23 Zile
So basically they have bastardized VTEC lmao
D. C.
D. C. Acum 23 Zile
Sorry Greta ❤️❤️❤️
Peng Henry
Peng Henry Acum 24 Zile
Great review! The only false info I picked up in this video is about the filler wrench in China. Im sure China has more BMW motorrad dealers than Canada. I have a friend works in a BMW dealer in a small town of China, and she told me they sell about a dozen of the 1250gs every month.
Fernando de Souza Lima
Fernando de Souza Lima Acum 24 Zile
I had an 2013 GS Adventure... and love it... but the new model... I will pass..
Russian Cowboy
Russian Cowboy Acum 24 Zile
Another point to my decision to buy Africa Twin instead
Hunter Biden's Crackpipe
Hunter Biden's Crackpipe Acum 25 Zile
1290 is far superior in every way
Dalibor Zak
Dalibor Zak Acum 25 Zile
I don't understand why to put so much complicated technology into allrounder bike, that must be, at first, reliable as a Sun in any circumstances.
gkm3838
gkm3838 Acum 25 Zile
I like this channel but I think I'll pay attention to BMW engineers rather than a guy on ROpost.
A27M Cromwell 1
A27M Cromwell 1 Acum 25 Zile
I guess one benefit of it is that you can scream "VTEC JUST KICKED IN!" whenever you reach high rpm
Jon Satterfield
Jon Satterfield Acum 26 Zile
I had a GS. It was ok. Too big, too heavy, too tall, not much hp or torque, but comfy for 600 mile rides. I ride a KtM 390 ADV now with no regrets. FortNine didn't like the KTM 390 ADV either. So? If you need someone's approval for what you do, you need to rethink who you are.
Joshua Lawson
Joshua Lawson Acum 26 Zile
Nice video Ryan Kluftinger
Gourabjit Singha
Gourabjit Singha Acum 28 Zile
finally found someone nagging about the gs... ha ha ha great work... liked it.
RD Flo
RD Flo Acum 29 Zile
Couldn't agree more.. since the art of motorcycle maintenance was written, unfortunately German manufacturers have been resorting to marketing towards status, instead of solid engineering. They're passing the ball on to the eagerly awaiting Japanese engineers. (Who initially picked up the wrench from the English/quirky designers with their cream cheese alloys).. However, more and more people are about status instead of engineering detail, I think BMW won't suffer too much in sales..;) Maybe pitch the tenere 700 Vs this BMW for a truly long trip.. (Ewan... You reading this??)
नेति नेति neti neti
नेति नेति neti neti Acum 29 Zile
At 4:07 Right Middle screen , between two bolt , TVS markings ?
Peter Fox
Peter Fox Acum lună
It's shaft tho. Guys doing the big millage have fewer options than fingers on one hand. 2 options now actually. Tiger 1200 and GS. Tenere has been discontinued, in Europe anyway...
D Cross
D Cross Acum lună
Call the RCMP. A murder was just committed.
Yacine ALG
Yacine ALG Acum lună
To be honest, i used to love the R1200GS and i was planning to buy a 2016 model, but then i saw the ridiculous overpriced spare parts and too much electronics I ended up looking for a Varadero 1000, triumph tiger 1200 and Suzuki V-strom 650
Zameer Hussain
Zameer Hussain Acum lună
Well the oil cap tool is under the seat, and you can turn off the hill control brake from the menu, is there anything else Ryan I can help you with
Lisa Vivera
Lisa Vivera Acum lună
BMW should have invested in a freevalve camless system such as this: ropost.info/flow/tJaTfpt9Z6iYl2c/video.html
Mcm Mcm
Mcm Mcm Acum lună
They over priced scrap that is bmw that when u buy you pay over priced parts it’s a bike that will empty your wallet quicker than a strip club
FFL3801
FFL3801 Acum lună
Needlessly complex German engineering. Yup. I had a mid 2000’s Mercedes. The radio had 37 BUTTONS!!! (Including a phone keypad - like you are going to dial the phone on the dash of your car while driving down the road). Of course it quit working, and the quoted replacement cost was more than the car was worth. I’ll never buy German ANYTHING again.
Sam BA-RAHIM
Sam BA-RAHIM Acum lună
Thanks a lot for another great video. I would REAAAAALY like to ask if your team would consider giving a loot at another classic GS. The F750GS. It is not fully adventure, not fully street. Its kind of lost personality but i had a great test ride on it.. Just a thought. Sam
Brian
Brian Acum lună
Get a Yamaha Super Tenere,and save yourself a small fortune.
therealforestelf
therealforestelf Acum lună
the soundtrack in this is just the finest jams
Bryan Duncan
Bryan Duncan Acum lună
Ryan, you’re missing the fact that for the vast majority of GS riders, the only “off-road” they are going to doing to do is driving over the pavement/walkway to get from their garage to the road!
KIDOO#0704
KIDOO#0704 Acum lună
a absolutely love this no BS approach to your reviews also, Ryan Kluftinger!? i never knew 😭
Avesta
Avesta Acum lună
The lack of fanboyism on this channel should win an award or something. At the very least you deserve some beer 😂
spacejamgoliath
spacejamgoliath Acum lună
I just realized motorcycle engines are a good candidate for early freevalve conversions
MP S
MP S Acum lună
I just picked up a 2005 R1200GS, I have been wanting one for a wile, but out of my price range. Picked this up for under $5k. Needs tires and brakes, but I will do that myself. Love these bikes, I rented one in Spain, awesome trip, I highly recommend that if you get the chance.
Tony Dare
Tony Dare Acum lună
Interesting review. I recently bought a Triumph Tiger 900 GT Pro and yesterday did a test in Paris on a GS1250 for fun. The strange thing is that it felt a bit like a tractor to me after the Triumph, with a lumpy gearbox, and less effective suspension, BUT, when the time came to give it back, I started to ask myself serious questions about which machine I prefer. The GS has superb handling at all speeds and is very relaxing, while the Triumph is perhaps more exciting. Never been a fan of the GS but I sort of fell in love. If BMW made me a great offer, I might even trade despite the 12k euro difference😂
Mark H Pluygers
Mark H Pluygers Acum lună
Ryan, you are right. I’ve got the GS1200 2017 job. I reckon it’s got as good as it needs to be. It’s almost NEVER that I run the engine much past 6000 why bother, it’s OK. That wonderful Analogue Rev count is pointing upwards, it’s time to change or if in 6th, you really are asking for trouble!….. That really is enough speed too. The 1200LC is a nice balance and drivers of the 1250 complain “it feels a bit japanese suddenly” ? I hate the ipad dash too… It took me a few years to really appreciate the WBX (LC), but I’ve grown fond of them & the GS (imo) hit it’s peak 2017.5. Time never stands still!…., but it’s good enough for me. Nice presentation, I will follow my BMW stuff from you. Mark. Amsterdam.
Amourigia Travels
Amourigia Travels Acum lună
If only I live in Canada. If I happen to the bike you wanna review, I will hand-deliver to your place 👍🏻
Moto Drang
Moto Drang Acum lună
At this time 569 BMW owners have seen the video.
Gregory LaGrange
Gregory LaGrange Acum lună
That oil filler cap is enough to stay away from the whole BMW line. Things like that are so annoying, they let you know about a company's whole philosophy. Or at least one major thing that their philosophy lacks. And that is the bikes we are going to make, we are going to make them as if we have to buy them ourselves. I don't own a Honda, but that is something I've always admired about Honda. They make bikes like they would purchase them. And live with them. Thank you Honorable Soichiro Honda for all you have done. And a shout out to Honorable Genichi Kawakami, because I do have one of his.
Mike On A Bike
Mike On A Bike Acum lună
Hmmm in the UK the oil cap removal tool is under the seat, it actually doubles as the screwdriver handle
Marco DB
Marco DB Acum lună
COPLIMENTI! Ottima spiegazione.
magnus pym
magnus pym Acum lună
integrating Heisenberg classic fortnine! Good Show!
Asher Broadbent
Asher Broadbent Acum lună
STFU man, you just from the wrong country. Come over to the UK mate and try dissing the wonders of VTEC. I'm joking btw
bradley morgan
bradley morgan Acum lună
This bike makes more horsepower than my first car.
Chev Rogers
Chev Rogers Acum lună
Wait a second. Does this bike have something similar to VTEC ....?!
Valen Sinclair
Valen Sinclair Acum lună
Random youtuber smarter than an army of BMW engineers. lul
trehanero
trehanero Acum lună
Νο thanks
Boudewijn Rombouts
Boudewijn Rombouts Acum lună
The Heisenberg joke earned my subscription.
Covert Garage
Covert Garage Acum lună
Right! So you're welcome to my video blog about cars.
Pat Rick
Pat Rick Acum 2 luni
Ohh I put all my money into a 1250GS, hopefully I will have some little fun with the bike 😉. BTW thanks for doing the things you do!
3rdaxis
3rdaxis Acum 2 luni
Too big and too heavy.
Ped Bap
Ped Bap Acum 2 luni
you can find the oil filler cap tool in every GS tool kit. Not a very good tool kit but it is enough to fill oil out in mongolia, that I can assure. Take a look under passenger´s seat and look closely to the screwdriver handle and you have the answer.
hailwood900
hailwood900 Acum 2 luni
Late to the party, as usual, (who has time to watch all these (admittedly great) videos?) but a couple things to add as an ex- valve train chief engineer, also with experience working with BMW: 1. We believed (last I was there) that the overall best solution for a passenger car is "both". That is, two step lift and duration like ShiftCam (skip the "f" at your own peril) AND variable phasing as is commonly used in lots of cars. We did not come to this conclusion lightly. The research project lasted years, I employed a couple of the best VT guys in the world (yes, not kidding) and they worked from first principles of combustion all the way to a fully calibrated vehicle. If you want to read about what real automotive grade research looks like, find the SAE article on "Two Step and Phasing with EIVC Timing, written by Mark Sellnau. 1a. Background: Fully variable systems, such as you long for, are not new. Powertrain organizations have recognized the theoretical benefit long ago. Delivering those benefits is another story. I believe phasing started on the '89 Alfa Romeo. Two step started shortly after. Building up to the ultimate system a step at a time is a result of living in the practical world of knowledge accumulation paired with managing engineering and tooling budgets, which are in competition with the guys on the other side of the building that simultaneously want all the money for their direct fuel injection project. Anyway, we compared the "value" (total benefits over lifetime total system cost) of a LIST of potential ways to deliver incremental torque, fuel economy, etc. When you show up at a Powertrain OEM with validated information like that, you have a good chance of getting their attention. At the high end of the scale (ignoring full electronic, solenoid operated systems w/ HCCI for the moment) you have variable lift, duration and phasing systems such as BMW Valvetronic and our own internal prototype system in comparison with an easier to implement Two Step and Phasing EICV system. The killer question is "How much of the fully variable benefit can you capture with the TwoStep system?" And the answer is, "the vast majority of it". A number like 80% would not be far off. This is a blindingly complex subject, so simplifying it to one number is like admitting you don't appreciate the subtlety. Still, it gives perspective. So, to summarize: Fully variable on the cam timing, that is, a continuously variable cam phaser on the intake and exhaust. This is quite easy with hydraulic phasers and spool valve solenoids. (Suzuki's centrifugal system is going to compromise the phasing benefit quite a lot in my opinion.) Two step on the cam lobes, giving two distinct valve lifts, and two lift duration numbers. For fuel economy, EIVC is important. "Early Intake Valve Closing", which becomes possible when you have the rest of the hardware. We studied two step, three step, eight step, continuously variable, etc. Two Step & Phasing, with the right controls is the clear winner for overall value. 2. BMW did not put ShiftCam on the 1250 out of ignorance of fully variable systems. My kid's 2008 X3 has the N52 with Valvetronic control. It leaves the throttle blade wide open all the time and controls load by the valvetrain. It has 150k miles on it and the Valvetronic system is the one thing that works reliably. Trust me, BMW Motorrad has full access to BMW Powertrain and could have done a single cylinder (per side) Valvetronic if they believed it was worth it. My opinion is that phasing-only would be a good solution for most bikes. Don't forget emission control ("Greta Control"?) as one of the many requirements the engineers must meet. 3. Ryan F9, this is another awesome review. Thank you. Like others, I snort-laughed at all the jokes. The H-U one was my favorite. Poor Greta... And I loved the way you portrayed the "it's not the bike, it's you" attitude. Having been in Munich more than a few times, I can only laugh and agree. It's no wonder the magazines have all gone broke. You're killin' it.
gingernutpreacher
gingernutpreacher Acum 2 luni
Dispraxic not dyslexic
Abhishek Shekhawat
Abhishek Shekhawat Acum 2 luni
Himalayan is under rated in adventure tourer category being a single cylinder 🥺
doncarlo5
doncarlo5 Acum 2 luni
well if you have bavarian ancestors , you might as well know that all BMW ( motorcycles ) are made in Berlin, not in Bavaria ... by the way, I don't like the GS either ...
Scott Lee
Scott Lee Acum 2 luni
You and Engineering Explained should start a motorcycle company 😂
Amin Elhirech
Amin Elhirech Acum 2 luni
basically v-tec
SAMFICOM
SAMFICOM Acum 2 luni
miny1250gs developed engine clanking noise in left cylinder after 11000km. bmw refused tp fix it under warranty saying that it is normal. b.s. after loosing a season sold it back to dealer for 13500 euro. lost a lot of money and fun time and faith in humanity. bmw sucks.
Charlie Lambert
Charlie Lambert Acum 2 luni
It would be awesome... If they could make it look like a damn motorcycle again, instead of a transformer... Ya know like R nineT GS the thing- oh or... Put some GS in the 9 nineT! An actual R9 Dual Lite ADV, void of all the electronic BS- That would be sweet.
sunalwaysshinesonTVs
sunalwaysshinesonTVs Acum 2 luni
Ahh yes... the age 'ol GS debate. But let's be honest. All sides are wrong cause BMW responds to market forces. The GS is the BEST 'round da world adventure bike..... for those who want to kid them self they would ever take on such a feet. (Take it further, the GS is super comfortable and looks nice, both which cant be argued, and performs exceptionally well as a motorcycle -again a statement that cant be argued as it's based on a person's definition of "motorcycle"). While the GS may have arguably been for realz at one point for globe trotting, the GS has evolved into the best adventure bike for those who want to brave suburban drivers and head out to Starbucks. Hellz.... I live in N.Am and my adventuring took me & my GS to the Ace Cafe in England. Actually, I didnt go. While I did travel to countries of questionable stability, I considered London a little too dangerous to visit on a GS. The market for an objectively best world-touring bike is simply to small to design & produce.
amdaglas
amdaglas Acum 2 luni
I would still trade one of my testicles to have this bike though
Alexander
Alexander Acum 2 luni
Still rathet go for the F850 gs adventure
Umesh Thorbole
Umesh Thorbole Acum 2 luni
Today, I saw bike review which includes Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. Ok. Seems legit
RiShark Tíburon
RiShark Tíburon Acum 2 luni
Sorry Greta. Lmao
A C Ross
A C Ross Acum 2 luni
Loads of comments from those more interested in Top Trumps and shopping than riding.
Tom Edgar
Tom Edgar Acum 2 luni
Love the music!
Tucsonan Dude
Tucsonan Dude Acum 2 luni
Well put! Probably the worst part of the new R1250GS @ 8:00. Putting electronics inside the engine casing is bad news for many reasons.
Jim Schrumm
Jim Schrumm Acum 2 luni
Oil filler wrench designed by the layer that filled my Hondas crankcase with cat litter.
ramish rambarran
ramish rambarran Acum 2 luni
Just great !
exponent mantissa
exponent mantissa Acum 2 luni
I was thinking of buying a r1250gsa. What a surprise I got when I contacted the dealer in Vancouver, High Road. They told me no test drives, you can only take the bike around the block. Wow, I have owned many vehicles and test driven even more including a 160K porsche. Never have I been told no test drive. They did say this was to keep kms low and that I could go rent one at cycle BC for which I would be reimbursed if I bought new.. Cycle BC has neither the year nor the model. The way I see it I can order from any dealership I want over the phone so why go to this dealer, they dont offer any value add. That said this exercise was a HUGE red flag that this dealer will be my only local service agent and I am not sure I want this. I am all ears if anyone has recommendations for other adventure bikes or other BC dealers.
luuk341
luuk341 Acum 2 luni
Holy shit, someone recommended the V-Strom 1050XT over THE Bmw GS!? In a video about said GS!? That is heresy my friend! The GS Riders are going coming for you! Quickly! Jump on the back of my V4 engined Honda Crosstourer! See ya later Beemerbois!
Some Guy
Some Guy Acum 3 luni
Not surprised at all. BMWs vehicles are all overrated maintenance nightmares. And they know it. The special oil filler cap tool is a perfect summary of BMW in general.
Konstantinos Pilios
Konstantinos Pilios Acum 3 luni
Fantastic channel, fantastic review!!!! Can't say more, by far the best moto channel in ROpost!
Rides with Hoover
Rides with Hoover Acum 3 luni
I looked at buying one here in Australia, and like you said 30k plus is hard to justify for a motor bike so I settled for the Tracer 900 GT .
David Moore
David Moore Acum 3 luni
Sauerkraut?
Este ban
Este ban Acum 3 luni
Why don't they just open/close the Valves electrically with a small electrical engine?? They could adjust the times in endles variations.
TQ
TQ Acum 3 luni
Hopefully ze Germans are paying attention to this
Bob Williamson
Bob Williamson Acum 3 luni
Fortnine I don't like the GS either.
Gene Schneider
Gene Schneider Acum 3 luni
Use the screwdriver handle to open the oil cap. Also if you depress the brake lever again to release the hill start control
Gabe Dakowicz
Gabe Dakowicz Acum 3 luni
Could not agree more!! give me that 1150!! or R1200GSLC !! Thanks Ryan
Peter Rose
Peter Rose Acum 3 luni
Conclusion: BMW, just stuck with the air oil cooled or water cooled engine.
Gman76
Gman76 Acum 3 luni
BMW- why make things simple when they can be complicated.
sergiu h
sergiu h Acum 4 luni
so far nothing from what you mention about "bad variable valves " was confirmed on any BMW yet. and already there are many with high mileage :)
John`s Rabid Mutt
John`s Rabid Mutt Acum 4 luni
This is not a problem. 97% of GS owners never venture outside the highway
Somnath Chavan
Somnath Chavan Acum 4 luni
99% to be exac
Svendus Mcveteraner
Svendus Mcveteraner Acum 4 luni
Yes next step migt be Koenigseggs FreeValve - Engineering for motorcycles
Trailer Sailor
Trailer Sailor Acum 4 luni
Brave. very brave.
John Sumser
John Sumser Acum 4 luni
Great review.
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